Anime cons broaden to include tangentially-related interests so they can get more attendees, so the con can happen another year in perhaps a bigger venue which costs more, so they broaden to include tangentially-related interests, so they can get more attendees etc.
If you ever express dismay about this spiraling cycle of events, you're accused of being like those curmudgeons at the literary SF conventions who are fine and dandy with everything dying out for the sake of fandom purity or whatever those people are about. But surely there must be a reasonable midpoint. Unless you're trying to get rich by the power of running fan conventions (note: this is ill-advised) such that the main goal of running your event is to get ANYONE to buy a ticket, I think that it's more worthwhile to take measures to increase fan interest in your core fan activity [x] by promoting said activity instead of resigning oneself to the notion that "well, all the [x] fans are already here! May as well bring in the polyamorism/zombie apocalypse/Klingon vampire set, since some of them sorta like [x] too!"
This is something I've been thinking about for a while. I was hesitant to devote a LJ post to it; I go to so few anime cons these days that I don't have a good enough representational sample to go by. But Surat - Surat goes to a lot of anime cons. And to be fair, last year I went to the one in Detroit. And what I saw there, and what I hear from other shows, is that anime conventions are moving away from anime. Expo still has a big anime presence, Otakon continues to get good anime guests and have good anime programming. But a lot of the conventions out there... not so much. Look at A-Kon's guest list for 2009 and the anime guests are thin on the ground. Look at their programming. Look at the programming at most anime cons. How much of it is based on Japanese cartoons, and how much of it is con-culture rituals?
When I say 'con culture'... what I mean is the culture that comes from fan conventions. Events that only exist at conventions, for conventions, by conventions. The marginal stuff that started off as something you do in between actual topical events that involve what the convention's actually supposed to be about. Dances. Masquerades. Game shows. Photo shoots. Comedy improv. Harry Potter-themed puppet shows. Bands. All these things are well and good, but they are TANGENTIAL to what your anime convention is SUPPOSED to be about, which is ANIME.
So what's wrong with con culture? It's incestuous, self-perpetuating, and leads to fandom becoming a big in-jokey circle jerk of insiders. It means hotels full of the same 1000 people who go to every convention on "the circuit" and fill up the lobby couches with their con-suite-fed bulk, spinning endless yarns about conventions they went to previously. Conventions for the sake of conventions so you can throw room parties to promote other conventions the main activity at which is promoting other conventions. It's guests who are guests because they've been guests at conventions, and 'fan guests of honor" who have that status because they've been to a lot of conventions. It's giving the stink-eye to "mundanes" (people who walk in off the street who might possibly want to learn more about these Japanese cartoons). It's panels about how to run panels at conventions. It, in short, has its collective head up its collective ass.
Con culture is a closed-system loop that accomplishes nothing, educates nobody, and exists for its own sake. It's why literary and SF conventions are dying. It is fandom's anti-life equation.
Because if I wanted an esoteric secret society closed to outsiders I'd join the Masons (and don't think I haven't been asked). I believe Japanese cartoons are appealing to EVERYBODY. I think these things should be aimed squarely at people outside the Fan Lifestyle - at the kid who never knew there were other people obsessed with anime, the woman who wrote fanfic or drew fan art thinking she was the only one, the guy who lives way out in the middle of nowhere and only has one weekend a year to enjoy the things in the company of fellow fans. I meet those people every year, and it's always a reminder of why we do it.
The con-culture lifers who have been to hundreds of cons and are 'bored' with anime - I'll let you in on a little secret. THEY'RE GONNA COME TO YOUR CONVENTION ANYWAY, no matter what you do. So you don't have to bend over backwards to please them.
Maybe I'm just being pedantic about this, but it irritates me to spend years building up a convention devoted to Japanese cartoons and have our "brand" diluted by bandwagon-jumpers hoping to catch a ride. To waste time and space and effort on events that should be the "dessert", while the "main course" is underfunded or ignored.
Anime cons were started by anime fans who spent their blood and sweat and cash on Japanese cartoons. It's that love for anime that keeps people on staff. How do you think these people feel when it starts to look like Japanese cartoons are taking a back seat? They don't feel good.
So. Being firm about having anime programming at anime cons; I don't see that as being curmudgeonly. I see it as sticking to our mission plan. I see it as placing emphasis on what got us into fandom in the first place, and sharing it with others. It's being inclusive of people who might like anime but don't know anything about con culture.
When we started AWA there were lots of media SF conventions that were attended by the same people, had more or less the same events, and had built up their little con culture of toastmasters and party battles. Those conventions are all gone now because they mutated into con-culture-centric gatherings that had no appeal to non-lifers. On the other hand, AWA started with a specific purpose and a goal to be accessible to all, to keep anime from becoming just another Star Trek for people to build a private fiefdom around, to keep it from being just another fandom convention with the same Rocky Horror screenings and Klingon death ceremonies.
But there is pressure from within and without to add the non-anime programming and to get AWA more "in line" with other conventions. The pressure has always been there and will probably always be there and I hope that AWA always resists it.
Because what happens if, for example, if AWA mutates into "Generic Fantasy Convention With The Word Anime In Its Name" - you get a lot of con-culture attendees who drive away the anime fans and the newcomers. Eventually the con-culture fans move on with their lives and quit attending. The staff wakes up one morning and their attendance is a half or a quarter of what it used to be. The convention winds up being staffed by people who are only working the convention because it's a convention and you gotta work conventions! And they look at each other and ask why they're wasting their time on this nonsense.
I saw it happen to the Atlanta Fantasy Fair; it lost its focus and wasted time, money, the efforts of staff, and the goodwill of the Atlanta community, and when it went away nobody shed a tear. Losing focus is bad for just about any fan convention, but for AWA it's particularly troubling, for two reasons: Dragoncon and Sci-Fi Summer. Dragoncon is a all-embracing fan convention that bends over backwards to provide programming for any and all fandoms. Competing with it is foolish and counterproductive. Sci-Fi Summer is a much smaller show that is all about the con culture, and if they could ever get off their can and advertise their convention they might actually start to get some traction as a relaxing niche event. Both of those shows are and should be the destinations for Atlanta's con-culture lifestylers- for the party patrols, for the swingers in elf ears, for the costumers who costume just to costume, for the people who wish the RenFaire would never end.
AWA - or any convention that purports to be an "anime con" - should be the destination for people interested in enjoying and celebrating Japanese animation, and everything else can take care of itself.
I've had this discussion before with others, and the response I sometimes get is that anime conventions should follow the wishes of the attendees - if they want more J-Rock or more Cosplay Chess or Twilight readings or 24-hour raves or more video games, then the anime con should just say "yes SIR!" and get with the con-culture program. This is of course nonsense. If we had "listened to the attendees" we never would have started anime conventions to begin with. In the early days anime was about as unfashionable as you could possibly get in the fandom world. There would not be any anime conventions if we'd followed the herd. In fact I would venture to say that if you follow the herd, the view never changes.
What SHOULD anime cons do? They should be ANIME CONS. They should screen Japanese cartoons and have panel discussions about anime and have guests who work in the anime industry. Dealers should be selling anime stuff. Costume contests should be for anime character costumes. It should be all about the Japanese cartoons. People who are interested in things unrelated to Japanese cartoons should start their own conventions or their own clubs or their own meetups or whatever.
It's not rocket science; it's just sticking to what you know and what you like. It's refusing to be pushed around by people too lazy to start their own thing. It's cartoons, people.
EDITED TO ADD: Forgot to add this link:
http://www.milehighcomics.com/tales/cbg
In case you think it's only anime cons that suffer from lack of focus, check out what Chuck Rozanski has to say about how San Diego Comic Con treats its comics dealers. It ain't pretty.

2009-07-14 09:39 pm (UTC)
Anyways, I *do* agree with you, though. I cringe every time my convention adds Another Effing JRocker to the guest list, and applaud when they also add obscure manga artists from all over the globe. I think con runners fail to realize that just because they have seen the same Inu-Yasha panel eleventy billion times, it doesn't mean that the congoers have. Run 'em until they're not a draw, then retire them until they can make a comeback.
I think another problem is video programming. I haven't been in a video room in ages and I wonder how many people are similar. Watching anime in a group is fun, but nowadays it's so easy to buy/rent/pirate anime that I wonder if they're as much of a draw. Bringing in premieres is a great way to combat this, but obviously not as easy as popping any old DVD in.*
As long as conventions can keep their mission statements in the front of their minds, and even get with the ~*~crazy~*~ idea that they might know more about quality programming than Joe Attendee, we might see the conventions survive.
*You know what would be awesome? More rare/out of print/old anime. Stuff you can't just run out and buy. More themed blocks or rooms - maybe get some guests/ADRs/whoever to put together their top picks or something. Make it interesting.
2009-07-15 04:33 am (UTC)
I feel you on the J-rock thing nowadays, by the way. What gets me is, aside from the big-picture kind of issues that Dave brings up, it has to cost an arm and a leg to bring a music act over. Between appearance fees and equipment rental and however many trans-Pacific airline tickets for however big an entourage, you're talking serious money, well into five figures for that one small slice of the entertainment schedule, and I'm seeing even smaller cons doing it anyway. I can understand the need to keep up with the Joneses, but is it really a sensible use of the money, considering all the other things a con could spend it on?
2009-07-14 10:12 pm (UTC)
not that i'm going to go to cons again. i dunno, if fanime gets someone besides yamaga from gainax, maybe. er, i mean, really, if they get someone from khara to do an eva panel, really.
2009-07-15 12:21 am (UTC)
I doubt this, because anime screenings at cons were driven out of the spotlight once you could watch most relevant anime online with minimal effort. That's still very much the case. The only exclusives available to anime cons are the ones the publishers and studios give them, and only the larger conventions can land those.
Isn't that why anime conventions drifted away from anime in the first place? Fans didn't want to spend their time doing what they could do at home, so they invented all sorts of new activities, some of which had nothing to do with anime. Thus the socializing, the dances, and the other things that don't involve sitting around and looking at stuff you can find on YouTube.
You're right to mention guests as a draw. At this point, I really doubt I'd spend my free time at any convention unless friends roped me into attending or a con landed some amazing, never-appearing-again guest.
Perhaps I'm not the right one to analyze this. I stopped going to anime conventions for fun after I turned 25, and I stopped going to them for work-related reasons when people stopped paying me to be there. I simply have better things to do, and I'd like to think that the same goes for most anime-watching adults.
2009-07-15 12:34 am (UTC)
That may change in a year or two, when Japan calms down and stops caring about shit getting bootlegged, but for now it leaves us in a bit of a pinch. Although on the bright side it gives us an excuse to make the kids watch tons of '80s-vintage classics and live-action black-and-white whatnot from Animeigo.
2009-07-14 10:27 pm (UTC)
2009-07-14 11:19 pm (UTC)
I don't begrudge anime cons for experimenting in other aspects of Japanese pop culture, but swinging around too much turns it into a just a general convention with an anime theme. Not good.
2009-07-14 11:27 pm (UTC)
2009-07-20 02:09 am (UTC)
2009-07-15 12:23 am (UTC)
I'm surprised these people still exist, what with the Internet and all.
2009-07-15 12:49 am (UTC)
That's what it's all about!
2009-07-15 12:29 am (UTC)
I'm for a lot less Pocky and a lot fewer video games at the cons, and a whole lot more dealers who can bring in forty year-old unreprinted Tezuka comics myself, but I can't see that kinda con returning for a second year.
Which reminds me, Swallowing the Earth is out this week! I totally want to pick that up at the Beguiling Sunday or Monday!
2009-07-15 12:49 am (UTC)
(Anonymous)
2009-07-15 12:56 am (UTC)
This gets to an additional reason anime and manga cons should support anime and manga; that support was and is needed. Despite the "boom" of the recent past, anime and manga remain what they always were--foreign imports, that continue to struggle for an audience amidst the most powerful entertainment industry on Earth, located right here in the U.S. of A. Anime and manga need advocacy all the time, and they always will--they are outsiders. Gone mainstream! Anime and manga have never gone mainstream here. Star Trek--that's mainstream. Not anime or manga.
That's not true of many of the things U.S. fantasy and SF fans get excited about. There's nothing wrong with Harry Potter, Star Trek, Star Wars, V for Vendetta, 300, Watchmen, or this or that English-language fantasy or sci-fi property you care to name. But why should anime and manga cons devote their limited resources to them, when the average Hollywood film's publicity budget alone could pay for a dozen anime TV series? It's unseemly.
--Carl
2009-07-15 01:53 am (UTC)
This year, it seems I have become the goddamn finance nazi screaming for fiscal restraint and conservative spending, and spending on things that actually bring value back to the con.
The fast way to go broke is to lose focus on our mission. The FASTER way is to spend on stuff that returns nothing.
2009-07-15 02:16 am (UTC)
I concede that many cons, either of ignorance or distraction, do lose their focus or actively change it to fan attendance flames.
But I don't think theres a clear answer to your question as you may feel. "What SHOULD anime cons do" has become a difficult question to answer clearly anymore, I think.
I think its a real challenge to continue to be an 'anime con' that has enough appeal to actually draw people out in entertaining numbers anymore. Lets look at your core curriculum for example. Screen Japanese Cartoons? Okay, but how do you justify the cost of the room to screen it in and the gear when maybe 4 people turn out for a showing that isn't Final Fantasy or Full Metal Alchemist? And why would they come to a convention for a screening they have access to in the comfort of their cable modem connection? They don't care about viewing with a group or with a fancy surround sound (or have one already)
Have anime related guests? Well aside from the language barrier alone, there is a ridiculous amount of logistics to fight, and stigmata of bad experiences high billing guests have had in the states to work around to just get 1st level production or talent guests from japan. Also, the domestic publishers are shrinking in number and their time is becoming short supply. Hows any con but one over 3000k likely to have the resources to make that happen?
Dealers selling anime stuff? because of the crackdown on greymarkets and bootlegs over recent years, the merchandising is basically truncated to one source for anime goods. And usually at a premium that many con goers wont pay, so they get other vendors or goods with high markup that may have nothing to do with anime... like T-shirts... or weapons. How do you make a dealer carry something that doesn't sell?
and I just rattled off a few of the reasons. I think the misunderstanding is that those who are complaining that their con is 'diluting,' and are trying to return it to its 'roots', but don't know why they encounter such resistance. The resistance may be a function of the newer blood identifying with the change in times, but unable to articulate to the 'curmudgeon' that things must be done differently to survive, or unable to offer a suggestion on what to do differently.
But what do i know... :p
As far as con-culture people, well, the sad thing is, other than volunteers, they're usually a supporting structure in the base of a given con, especially the smaller sub-3000 cons.
2009-07-15 02:21 pm (UTC)
As I've said before AWA has great success with its anime rooms, mostly because a lot of thought goes into the schedule, but also because we've "grown" our audience over the years and they know to expect unusual and off-beat series and films they probably won't see anywhere else. Also we don't have Japanese guests telling us not to show fansubs.
But you do have to build that audience, you have to manage their expectations. Just putting random anime on a TV in a room with some chairs is not going to cut it any more.
From what Roger's said on his own LJ the dealers seem to be taking a hit across the board this year in terms of sales, which is interesting.
When I bitch about non-anime events at AWA, generally what happens is people reassure me that it'll be popular and well-run and will go off without a hitch, and then it turns out to be like that Final Fantasy Ball we held, and then the event goes back for regrooving and returns as something we can actually do and do well and that can be vaguely aimed towards anime or manga or Japan. Not that my bitching has anything to do with it. But having a voice constantly asking "What does this have to do with anime or manga?" is a good thing.
When I bitch about non-anime events at other conventions, I'm just being bitchy.
(Anonymous)
2009-07-15 10:43 am (UTC)
--Carl
2009-07-15 07:04 pm (UTC)
All I'm saying is that those options that were already limited are very hard to execute with minimal resources; and lacking that, your followup choices aren't very numerous and still be able to fall under 'anime con.'
In a wide view, mutual fandom I think is healthy. If you're soliciting more people who like anime to come because you had a band who may have absolutely no connection to anime, maybe nothing more than being Japanese, I have a tough time finding opposition with this, especially if the ultimate goal is to continue building the Anime core.
However, obviously, we have examples where its not being used to build the con core. More like 'expand the brand,' or somesuch.
And if an event isnt drawing mutual fandom, then there is no point. If having the Spaceghost talent at AWA draws out more fans who are anime fans too, then fullspeed ahead I say. If a dealer can mass produce a cheap trinket that has nothing to do with anime but fans like and they can make money off of, I don't see an issue. Especially if either of the above produces resources you can throw at the anime content. :) (be it guests, nicer video projectors, better artist for con propoganda, a new wholesale supplier of ufo catcher dolls, whatever)
If having a group, guest talent, or other event draws people who aren't anime fans (for no other reason than draw), then you're muddying the demographic waters too much, I agree. If a dealer is moving a good that appeals to non-anime fans to the exclusion of anime fans, thats the same problem. (especially if it steals resources from the anime stuff in the con)
...boy I'm long winded.
2009-07-15 11:18 am (UTC)
This way, the con gets to keep its main focus, but also branch out into related areas to bring in new blood -- but have clear boundries set up to keep it from going too far into Non-Japanese-Culture related stuff like Battlestar Galactica or Harry Potter.
But I have to agree with you about Con Culture. I was invited to a few SF cons over the years that had exactly this problem. The Kaiju con we talked about recently also had that vibe.
2009-07-15 02:21 pm (UTC)
Seems to my eyes there was a time a con LIVED for the screeners passed out by the studios, and if a studio was going to break a new show at your con, SCORE!
Now of course just GETTING the studios to attend, let alone actually have any major connection in that way, is a rare, rare thing. I think Funimation is the only studio even TRYING To keep going along like the golden age of 2004, when money was PHAT. I mean, without Geneon to front costs for bands (in a futile attempt to generate CD sales...*snicker*), now a con has to pay all those costs themselves.
and I think this has an effect on the overall vibe. The Studios are in major contraction, they're cutting costs like mad and one area they've cut back the most is....promotion. Then the studios scream and cry that nobody is buying stuff. Well, why SHOULD anyone buy your stuff, when you can't muster up the tiny most excitement yourself about it?
AX had hopes and dreams of becoming the OFFICIAL anime convention of America, and the one, only, legit trade show for the anime industry, but the studios never would totally commit for whatever reason. the New York anime con was looking to head to become that, the SDCC of the anime industry, but then 2007 happened and studios started dropping away from THAT.
So what's left? I guess Pocky and Lamune soda and teens hanging around and raves.
(but while Bandai Ent. is not to be seen at many of the big cons they used to be a fixture at, I'd bet a box of donuts they'll have a big booth at SDCC. Yes, the yuppsters racing to get free Twilight bags and buy that SUPER RARE boxed set of Wonder Twins figures are just BURNING to know about "The Dyspepsia of Haruharudokidoki" and 'Pedobear loli airplane chick fighter squadron'yes they are.)
2009-07-15 02:37 pm (UTC)
Looking back at old convention program books, the ads are like a 'who's who' of failed companies.
At the end of the day, it's going to come down to the Japanese cartoons themselves. People are still going to want to gather and discuss them, swap stuff, show off their costumes and their artwork, and watch crazy clips from them or shows they might never have heard of. You don't need screeners or Japanese guests or corporate sponsors for any of that.
2009-07-15 06:42 pm (UTC)
I think the problems of Anime cons today is more synergistic in nature with con culture, 'fandumb', and even the industry itself.
The few Anime cons I've been involved with down in Louisiana had lame restrictions of showing licensed only Anime DVDs screeners. Which ultimately lead to the rooms being empty with an unattended DVD player and projector on a table.
I think a big problem with the newer conventions is that they are very much pro-industry and want to support it but at the same time they do not break any copyright laws.
I remember when studios would premier their shows at a con, show the first 2 episodes dubbed and then the con would air a few more episodes fan subbed right after.
But that's really more of the whole piracy debate that's been beaten to death. blah.
On a side note I am totally sold on going to AWA next year, and maybe Amazement if possible.
2009-07-15 07:25 pm (UTC)
I've gotten a little mileage out of the what gets chosen to animate versus what gets dramatized issue, but it frequently ends up kind of tangential.
In the end, when I'm putting together a panel that isn't directly about anime or manga, I try to keep the question of why I'm talking about this stuff at a cartoon show in my head. It's the con's choice to give a person a panel, but the panelist ideally will give consideration to where he's presenting his material.
2009-07-15 08:57 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous)
2009-07-15 08:34 pm (UTC)
There may be some confusion here; it sounds like what you're describing is a group of people who'd like to put on a fan convention of some sort, but are not particularly set on it being an anime and manga convention. If, getting together, they look at the resources they have *at that moment* and decide anime and manga is not going to work, then they, as you say, move onto a different option.
But, if your objective is to have an anime and manga con specifically, if you find yourself short at the first planning meeting of what you need, you make it your first objective to get it, or at least get what you can reasonably lay hands on. It would be surprising if a group of fans who seriously thought they could put on a con in the first place, even a small one, didn't already know at least one person they could call on who speaks Japanese. There are hundreds of Japanese language programs in colleges throughout the United States, and a good percentage of the people there are studying it because they like anime and manga. As for a Tokyo directory, it's true that there was a time when one literally consulted printed directories (I still have my 1993 Japanese Business Guide, which noted that Bandai was now trying to "rely less on its 'Gundam' toys"), but today, like the Major says, the Net is vast and infinite. Money. Well, often when a con is in its early years, the staff is known to dip into their own pockets sometimes if need be (it's not so unknown even when a con is in its later years ^_^)
I use getting a Japanese guest as an example, but it's not necessary for a con to do so. Some years AWA has had Japanese guests and some years they haven't, but they've grown every year. Really, the essence of an anime and manga convention is that it's a gathering of anime and manga fans, who are there because of a common love of anime and manga. It's certainly not what they're going to talk about or watch 100% of time while they're there, but it is the thing they all share--the thing that brings them together at this particular time and place; i.e., the con.
--Carl
2009-07-16 01:58 am (UTC)
My whole point tho was centered around just pointing out that compared to 15 years ago, we are forced to use comparatively unconventional means to try and be an 'anime con', even in the confines of something that seems as obvious as having an anime guest.
And that some of the genuine things done by a con to secure its base can be mis-perceived by some, just as a con can(and does) lose its direction for other reasons.
---
But then your last line gets me wondering about Dave's post. Is this maybe really more about "con vs content?" (Content, being the anime/manga itself.) Because Dave's post (along with surat's) lines himself up square on content, and obviously the con-culture/con-lifers would line up on the con side.
Maybe this is still not correctly defining the problem? I see 2 separate things(maybe more); a 'pop eating itself' problem in the con-culture people, who may or may not care about anime. And also a perception of falling off the path in convention programming and directing, who(more seriously) may or may not care about anime.
I dunno. I can talk myself into circles, but I get the feeling this is leading to a particular place. I think it was Dave Chappelle who said 'We're good for the machine, and the machine is good for us.' So I'm more confident it will work out in most cases.
2009-07-16 01:20 am (UTC)
Now, back in those 'anime evangilism' days I'd assume they were doing it to 'spread the word' but of course we well know that the word has indeed been spread like cheap store brand jelly. So what's the deal?
Thoughts:
a. push the 'brand' of Anime Central. Lots of geeks from all over the midwest will be attending to snag up those 'eBay bait' exclusives, and SOME might have interest in attending an anime con in Chicago. So, that would be a good thing if one felt it was needful to be constantly increasing the con attendance size.
b. Could be Chicago CC is light on programming and tying up with the Acen folks was a fast, cheap solution, plus maybe some of those 'manga cows' (you know, the people who sit and graze all day at Borders) will buy stuff.
c. This is the wacky one. What if the ACen staff is looking to the future (around 2 years, plus or minus) and sees a time where they can't get the numbers to fill the space they're used to, and by using the Chicago CC infrastructure they can cut staffing costs (mostly at reg) and still put on the show, Acen becomes a regular 'sub event' at Chicago CC. Yeah, it's a reach, but it's something I sure would look at if something seemed in the air.
So, hope it works out for all concerned. I haven't been to the Chicago Comic Con for a number of years now.
2009-07-16 01:25 am (UTC)
I guess it's a good question for the ACenners who are reading this... if they're ALLOWED to talk about it, that is..... . . . . . . . . there was speculation on the animecons ML about now that Shamus has bought the Paradise Comicon in Toronto, if there would be a similar deal with Anime North to provide anime type programming. I would cheerfully do such a thing for the Paradise show, but for Wizard.... not so much.
2009-07-16 01:50 pm (UTC)
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archiv
I think those 300 people that would show up at any con fall into the Meta group. At DragonCon it is more like 5,000 people.
2009-07-16 03:46 pm (UTC)
2009-07-16 07:59 pm (UTC)
A convention run by con-culture types can be one of the worst places to be at. When it was small groups of people who follow the cons in Deadheadesque fashion I encountered, it was tolerable because these people were just their own little clique, with their in-jokes about 'zines only 10 people read and something that happened at some podunksville SF con 14 years ago. Or in one case, an incredibly self-important woman at one of those podunksville SF cons who started having a tantrum because she thought she deserved a guest badge just like the "pros" in attendence because didn't these people know she had written articles and even a short story for some Star Trek or Wars or whatever fanzine?
That's one of things that got to me about this closed-loop culture, it's an inward looking clique but too many of these folks have a famous-in-their-own-mind "Don't you KNOW who I AM?" air of arrogance about them.
2009-08-31 08:04 am (UTC)
I can't help but feel a little guilty or targeted when reading posts like these now. My first convention was Sakura-Con when I was 12, and I'm 17 now, so I think I could certainly say that I've grown up going to cons and I fit the demographic of who goes to cons now.
If a convention broadens it appeal in order to bring in more folks and expose them to anime, does it work?
It certainly did for me. I used to travel to Asia a lot and grew up with a lot more anime and manga than some other people, although after going to my first con I became an even bigger fan. But I can't help but love the con-culture now too.
Now that I think about it, there are people I know who don't go with a huge love of anime. They continue to go because they find that they weren't initially scared off by anime. I just hope that their love for anime has grown too. I think half of those people will expose themselves to more anime while the other half will be content to just attend conventions. It's like a gamble, and as long as the con doesn't lose its focus then things continue running smoothly.
And let's say Comic-Con? Well everyone knows it's not exactly about comics these days nor is it really a convention. But I love it. I love that there is one huge convention just for the industry spoil without really understanding the fans, and for the fans to create a culture. I feel like fans should just take advantage of that, and then continue attending their hardcore fan-driven focused convention. There's a balance between seperate cons now, not just in a con itself. I guess I don't really see a huge danger but I could be wrong.
I've never attended the largest conventions out there but Sakura-Con has grown tremendously in the last couple of years, so maybe I'll start to get nervous in the next couple of years?
Sorry, I think I'm basically repeating what you said, but just sharing my own experiences in case you find it interesting.